Hi everyone. We recorded this episode before Election Day, when we had no idea what new version of the world this would reach you in. Oof. Hope youβre doing okay.
And I just want to thank you for how you all showed up for this election. So many of you volunteered along with me to phone bank for Environmental Voter Project and Lead Locally, went to knock doors in swing states, conversed and encouraged. And that matters β there were lots of down ballot wins. And Iβm so glad to be in a community of people who show up. π
Wherever and however this finds you, I hope youβll enjoy this episodeβs sweet and lighthearted conversation with Dr. Katharine Wilkinson, the Georgia-native π, social scientist, bestselling writer, strategist, teacher, and dear friend with whom I co-edited the All We Can Save anthology β which is kind of like the older sister to my new book What If We Get It Right? Katharine and I also co-founded The All We Can Save Project, which she now so elegantly and impactfully leads to βnurture deep, sustained, and courageous climate engagement.β
This episode of the What If We Get It Right? podcast will also be published on A Matter of Degrees, the podcast Katharine co-hosts with another climate expert, Dr. Leah Stokes. If you havenβt listened to them yet, you totally should.
Since this conversation was in Katharineβs hometown, I let her take reins and she asked such great questions, as she does. The focus was on how my new book came to be, the questions it offers, and some of the answers that inspire me. Itβs a little behind the scenes scoop for ya.Β

The event was at The Carter Center, and before we went on stage we took a loop through the museum to visit President Jimmy Carterβs famous βsave energy, turn down the heat, put on a sweaterβ cardigan, and the solar hot water heater he had installed on the White House roof. (So wistful for such leadership.) And afterwards we had the chance to sign books together β very enthusiastically.
CREDITS
Thanks so much to Katharine, The All We Can Save Project, and The Carter Center. This episode was produced and edited by Nora Saks, and me, Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, with production help in Atlanta from Frequency Media, and support from Jenisha Shrestha, my chief of staff and tour producer.
Thank you for listening!















